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	<title>Comments on: Are Time Management Systems More Trouble Than They&#8217;re Worth?</title>
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		<title>By: Radek Pilich</title>
		<link>http://tools-for-thought.com/2008/12/29/organization-systems-more-trouble-than-theyre-worth/#comment-5047</link>
		<dc:creator>Radek Pilich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I will do to make my todo list more actionable without making it way too much granual is putting these gradnual action steps into the task notes. I use MyLifeOrganized software, so it is easily to see when the task has notes and easy to read and edit them. I believe that outlining the action process in the task note will decrease the resistance of doing the task, increase motivation and separate thinking from doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I will do to make my todo list more actionable without making it way too much granual is putting these gradnual action steps into the task notes. I use MyLifeOrganized software, so it is easily to see when the task has notes and easy to read and edit them. I believe that outlining the action process in the task note will decrease the resistance of doing the task, increase motivation and separate thinking from doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://tools-for-thought.com/2008/12/29/organization-systems-more-trouble-than-theyre-worth/#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This long comment just to suggest one thing : the important is the method, not the tool you are using. At the beginning it’s a little bit overwhelming to implement such a system on a new gizmo (iPhone and others). I always suggest to start with a pen and paper. When your system will be up and running you’ll be able to use new gizmos if you like.&lt;/i&gt;

Good advice. Low-tech is the way to go when starting out, unless you&#039;re completely familiar with the digital tool being used, like Outlook. Even if you&#039;re convinced you&#039;ll be taking an electronic direction, save the technology for a second learning curve, and focus on the method first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This long comment just to suggest one thing : the important is the method, not the tool you are using. At the beginning it’s a little bit overwhelming to implement such a system on a new gizmo (iPhone and others). I always suggest to start with a pen and paper. When your system will be up and running you’ll be able to use new gizmos if you like.</i></p>
<p>Good advice. Low-tech is the way to go when starting out, unless you&#8217;re completely familiar with the digital tool being used, like Outlook. Even if you&#8217;re convinced you&#8217;ll be taking an electronic direction, save the technology for a second learning curve, and focus on the method first.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyril</title>
		<link>http://tools-for-thought.com/2008/12/29/organization-systems-more-trouble-than-theyre-worth/#comment-4590</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first tried to implement a task management method, my goal was to avoid to be burried down the number of emails and other information I received daily.
When I first tried GTD I thought that the system will be so heavy to implement that it will become useless pretty quickly.
But as the saying: you cannot change the results if you continue to do the same things, I tried the method.
And IMHO it&#039;s the only way to really understand the &quot;stress free productivity&quot; concept.
Exactly as doing a renovation yourself on your home can seem cheaper than having a contractor to do it, doing a task right away can be faster than planning first. But in the end it&#039;s often smarter and cheaper to ask a professional to perform the renovation on your house, and the same goes to planning your actions.
Of course it&#039;s a lot of work to plan, to break down into actions, to classify the actions and then to do them. But the feeling you get when you know that &lt;strong&gt; all your actions are under control&lt;/strong&gt; is so powerful that you&#039;ll never go back to your old ways.

This long comment just to suggest one thing : the important is the method, not the tool you are using. At the beginning it&#039;s a little bit overwhelming to implement such a system on a new gizmo (iPhone and others). I always suggest to start with a pen and paper. When your system will be up and running you&#039;ll be able to use new gizmos if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first tried to implement a task management method, my goal was to avoid to be burried down the number of emails and other information I received daily.<br />
When I first tried GTD I thought that the system will be so heavy to implement that it will become useless pretty quickly.<br />
But as the saying: you cannot change the results if you continue to do the same things, I tried the method.<br />
And IMHO it&#8217;s the only way to really understand the &#8220;stress free productivity&#8221; concept.<br />
Exactly as doing a renovation yourself on your home can seem cheaper than having a contractor to do it, doing a task right away can be faster than planning first. But in the end it&#8217;s often smarter and cheaper to ask a professional to perform the renovation on your house, and the same goes to planning your actions.<br />
Of course it&#8217;s a lot of work to plan, to break down into actions, to classify the actions and then to do them. But the feeling you get when you know that <strong> all your actions are under control</strong> is so powerful that you&#8217;ll never go back to your old ways.</p>
<p>This long comment just to suggest one thing : the important is the method, not the tool you are using. At the beginning it&#8217;s a little bit overwhelming to implement such a system on a new gizmo (iPhone and others). I always suggest to start with a pen and paper. When your system will be up and running you&#8217;ll be able to use new gizmos if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://tools-for-thought.com/2008/12/29/organization-systems-more-trouble-than-theyre-worth/#comment-4514</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m still struggling with the granularity issue. I want to break things down so that each task fits into a specific context and is “actionable”.&lt;/i&gt;

In most cases, contexts are self-evident. &quot;Get washer from hardware store&quot; is obviously an errand. &quot;Email Susan&quot; is a computer task. The perceived complexity of context usually has to do with (a) not articulating in writing where you see yourself performing the action, or (b) thinking about the overall number of lists rather than the fact that only the list that matches the current context needs to be reviewed at any point in time. Occasionally more than one list is applicable (with a cell phone, @Calls and @Anywhere might be active lists), but sooner than later, you&#039;ll get a clear sense of which lists you&#039;re more likely to scan. For instance, I don&#039;t do email on my phone, so even though I could technically put &quot;Email Susan&quot; on my @Anywhere list, I know that I wouldn&#039;t be motivated to take action on it there, so I don&#039;t put it on that list as an option.

&lt;i&gt;But on the other hand I don’t want to be flooded with tasks so that the ratio of the timing “managing” that task is big compared to the task size itself.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m going to have to write a post about this phenomenon. I personally don&#039;t believe that people spend more time managing tasks than doing them. I think that people are more self-conscious when managing tasks than when they&#039;re executing them, so the perceived passage of time is heightened. As the saying goes, a watched pot never boils. Each phase of managing an individual project -- collecting, clarifying, organizing and reviewing -- should take less than a minute in more cases. It might take longer if the issue is more ambiguous, like clarifying precisely what to do about graduate school or moving to a better city (e.g., what does &quot;better&quot; mean?), but even if it takes 10 minutes to carry your thinking forward on those, the time spent is far less than trying to incubate an issue you haven&#039;t fully articulated to yourself.

&lt;i&gt;It seems there are problems with both extremes of large, chunkier tasks that are “worth” the effort to manage and a flood of small, no brainer, actionable tasks but that take more time to manage than they are worth.&lt;/i&gt;

The smaller tasks are more insidious distractions when dismissed as unworthy of tracking. It&#039;s really not a matter of whether or not something is judged to be big or small so much as whether or not it has a claim on your attention. If an overdue library book has more of your attention than your next car payment, it&#039;s probably because you know the car payment is consequential enough to get handled without much prodding. The paradox is that smaller items tend to require more effort to remember than big ones, and by keeping them only in your head, the effort needed to keep them conscious has to come from some of the bandwidth used to keep track of the big ones, creating undue anxiety. The consequences are complex, but the solution is simple. Track &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt; that has your attention without deliberating which things are &quot;worthy.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;The two minute rule helps, but only seems to help if I’m in the right context for the task that I’m entering when I enter it.&lt;/i&gt;

True. The upshot of writing down out-of-context actions is that the next time you&#039;re in the corresponding context and review that list, you&#039;ll have one or more &quot;cheap wins&quot; to knock off without having to think about what to do next.

&lt;i&gt;I am planning to use “Things” and sync to the iPhone to “take it with me” but I got stuck when it turned out they didn’t support tags on the mobile version so I’ve mostly been playing/practicing. Now that they are on the cusp of supporting tags on the iPhone version, I’ll try to make a serious commitment and hopefully come up with something that works productively.&lt;/i&gt;

I can&#039;t comment on the iPhone. I had an iPod Touch, but didn&#039;t find it as straightforward to use as a list manager as my Palm Centro. Good luck with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m still struggling with the granularity issue. I want to break things down so that each task fits into a specific context and is “actionable”.</i></p>
<p>In most cases, contexts are self-evident. &#8220;Get washer from hardware store&#8221; is obviously an errand. &#8220;Email Susan&#8221; is a computer task. The perceived complexity of context usually has to do with (a) not articulating in writing where you see yourself performing the action, or (b) thinking about the overall number of lists rather than the fact that only the list that matches the current context needs to be reviewed at any point in time. Occasionally more than one list is applicable (with a cell phone, @Calls and @Anywhere might be active lists), but sooner than later, you&#8217;ll get a clear sense of which lists you&#8217;re more likely to scan. For instance, I don&#8217;t do email on my phone, so even though I could technically put &#8220;Email Susan&#8221; on my @Anywhere list, I know that I wouldn&#8217;t be motivated to take action on it there, so I don&#8217;t put it on that list as an option.</p>
<p><i>But on the other hand I don’t want to be flooded with tasks so that the ratio of the timing “managing” that task is big compared to the task size itself.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to have to write a post about this phenomenon. I personally don&#8217;t believe that people spend more time managing tasks than doing them. I think that people are more self-conscious when managing tasks than when they&#8217;re executing them, so the perceived passage of time is heightened. As the saying goes, a watched pot never boils. Each phase of managing an individual project &#8212; collecting, clarifying, organizing and reviewing &#8212; should take less than a minute in more cases. It might take longer if the issue is more ambiguous, like clarifying precisely what to do about graduate school or moving to a better city (e.g., what does &#8220;better&#8221; mean?), but even if it takes 10 minutes to carry your thinking forward on those, the time spent is far less than trying to incubate an issue you haven&#8217;t fully articulated to yourself.</p>
<p><i>It seems there are problems with both extremes of large, chunkier tasks that are “worth” the effort to manage and a flood of small, no brainer, actionable tasks but that take more time to manage than they are worth.</i></p>
<p>The smaller tasks are more insidious distractions when dismissed as unworthy of tracking. It&#8217;s really not a matter of whether or not something is judged to be big or small so much as whether or not it has a claim on your attention. If an overdue library book has more of your attention than your next car payment, it&#8217;s probably because you know the car payment is consequential enough to get handled without much prodding. The paradox is that smaller items tend to require more effort to remember than big ones, and by keeping them only in your head, the effort needed to keep them conscious has to come from some of the bandwidth used to keep track of the big ones, creating undue anxiety. The consequences are complex, but the solution is simple. Track <i>everything</i> that has your attention without deliberating which things are &#8220;worthy.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>The two minute rule helps, but only seems to help if I’m in the right context for the task that I’m entering when I enter it.</i></p>
<p>True. The upshot of writing down out-of-context actions is that the next time you&#8217;re in the corresponding context and review that list, you&#8217;ll have one or more &#8220;cheap wins&#8221; to knock off without having to think about what to do next.</p>
<p><i>I am planning to use “Things” and sync to the iPhone to “take it with me” but I got stuck when it turned out they didn’t support tags on the mobile version so I’ve mostly been playing/practicing. Now that they are on the cusp of supporting tags on the iPhone version, I’ll try to make a serious commitment and hopefully come up with something that works productively.</i></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comment on the iPhone. I had an iPod Touch, but didn&#8217;t find it as straightforward to use as a list manager as my Palm Centro. Good luck with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still struggling with the granularity issue.  I want to break things down so that each task fits into a specific context and is &quot;actionable&quot;.  But on the other hand I don&#039;t want to be flooded with tasks so that the ratio of the timing &quot;managing&quot; that task is big compared to the task size itself.  It seems there are problems with both extremes of large, chunkier tasks that are &quot;worth&quot; the effort to manage and a flood of small, no brainer, actionable tasks but that take more time to manage than they are worth.  The two minute rule helps, but only seems to help if I&#039;m in the right context for the task that I&#039;m entering when I enter it.

I am planning to use &quot;Things&quot; and sync to the iPhone to &quot;take it with me&quot; but I got stuck when it turned out they didn&#039;t support tags on the mobile version so I&#039;ve mostly been playing/practicing.  Now that they are on the cusp of supporting tags on the iPhone version, I&#039;ll try to make a serious commitment and hopefully come up with something that works productively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still struggling with the granularity issue.  I want to break things down so that each task fits into a specific context and is &#8220;actionable&#8221;.  But on the other hand I don&#8217;t want to be flooded with tasks so that the ratio of the timing &#8220;managing&#8221; that task is big compared to the task size itself.  It seems there are problems with both extremes of large, chunkier tasks that are &#8220;worth&#8221; the effort to manage and a flood of small, no brainer, actionable tasks but that take more time to manage than they are worth.  The two minute rule helps, but only seems to help if I&#8217;m in the right context for the task that I&#8217;m entering when I enter it.</p>
<p>I am planning to use &#8220;Things&#8221; and sync to the iPhone to &#8220;take it with me&#8221; but I got stuck when it turned out they didn&#8217;t support tags on the mobile version so I&#8217;ve mostly been playing/practicing.  Now that they are on the cusp of supporting tags on the iPhone version, I&#8217;ll try to make a serious commitment and hopefully come up with something that works productively.</p>
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